[Quietly] I'm not trying to disrespect you. You've done nothing to deserve that.
But if you want to know why he didn't believe you could handle it, you would have to ask him. He doesn't give a shit who I vouch for, Warren. I've never given him reason to doubt you or your ability as a warden, and I can't make him see differently. That's the problem with him: he refuses to see anything but what he knows, and he is patently disinterested in trying. There is no motivation there to change. Which means I need to manufacture something for him to push back against.
That everything is a fight. That everything has to be a struggle. That he'd rather have an enemy made up, or make one up himself, than deal with reality as. it. is.
[ A breath out. A slow one. A tired one. ]
And that addresses Trevor. But it doesn't address the rest. Why are we having this on communicators? We've never done that. And why didn't you think that was something I needed to know?
[ A breath out again, softer. He scrubs his face with a hand. ]
One of the things I promised Jacobi, promised. him. was that listening to you? Being part of this. Wouldn't be like it was with Cutter. It wouldn't be 'need to know'. We'd all have a seat at the table. We'd all be. in it. for each other.
[ He breathes in now. ]
He accused me of treating her like Maxwell. Ulla. He's not... wrong. And I admit... [ A swallow. ] I admit I'm- I'm more- I am. significantly. more heated. than I would be. if it was anyone else. That she was attacked not once. But twice.
So you're probably getting... some of that. I'm sorry.
Encouraging her brilliance. Accepting the kind of behavior I wouldn't from almost anyone else. The way I talk about her. The way I want to rip apart anyone who'd hurt her.
Their stories... aren't that different. Is the thing.
I'm just trying to give Ulla what she needs to bloom and come to peace with herself.
Being a warden means giving up a lot of what I want. Some of what I really am. And I'm not even here for a deal. If I can't even do my job, what the fuck am I here for?
[ He'll take a moment to parse that, and he takes a moment to lean back on one arm, rubbing thoughtfully at his lips. He pulls his hand away to speak. ]
So... it feels like an accusation of incompetence. It threatens your confidence that you can do this job properly.
[ He turns his hand. ]
How does that work. with your tendency? to involve yourself in the lives of other people's inmates? And what I've heard from your own lips. about wardening as a community?
I think like an inmate. I've never stopped. I try, but maybe I'm not supposed to be working here at all, Warren. Maybe I was never supposed to graduate.
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But if you want to know why he didn't believe you could handle it, you would have to ask him. He doesn't give a shit who I vouch for, Warren. I've never given him reason to doubt you or your ability as a warden, and I can't make him see differently. That's the problem with him: he refuses to see anything but what he knows, and he is patently disinterested in trying. There is no motivation there to change. Which means I need to manufacture something for him to push back against.
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That everything is a fight. That everything has to be a struggle. That he'd rather have an enemy made up, or make one up himself, than deal with reality as. it. is.
[ A breath out. A slow one. A tired one. ]
And that addresses Trevor. But it doesn't address the rest. Why are we having this on communicators? We've never done that. And why didn't you think that was something I needed to know?
[ A breath out again, softer. He scrubs his face with a hand. ]
One of the things I promised Jacobi, promised. him. was that listening to you? Being part of this. Wouldn't be like it was with Cutter. It wouldn't be 'need to know'. We'd all have a seat at the table. We'd all be. in it. for each other.
[ He breathes in now. ]
He accused me of treating her like Maxwell. Ulla. He's not... wrong. And I admit... [ A swallow. ] I admit I'm- I'm more- I am. significantly. more heated. than I would be. if it was anyone else. That she was attacked not once. But twice.
So you're probably getting... some of that. I'm sorry.
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What does 'treating her like Maxwell' look like in practice?
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Their stories... aren't that different. Is the thing.
I'm just trying to give Ulla what she needs to bloom and come to peace with herself.
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What happened that caused her to act out like she did?
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I can work with anything. But I'm only going on what you give me. And if you don't give me anything?
I get surprises.
[ A short pause. ]
And we aren't done about your tendency to not ask. or accept. help. Not by a long shot.
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This is me trying and it's clearly not working. I don't know how.
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Starting with...
Did you notice. when you immediately changed topics after I brought up a team solution?
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm trying to diagnose.
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Honestly. No judgment.
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[But he says it apologetically. He doesn't want to be irritated with Warren.]
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Look deeper.
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Also?
That's stupid. You're smarter than that.
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For a time he's not sure he will, either.]
Being a warden means giving up a lot of what I want. Some of what I really am. And I'm not even here for a deal. If I can't even do my job, what the fuck am I here for?
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So... it feels like an accusation of incompetence. It threatens your confidence that you can do this job properly.
[ He turns his hand. ]
How does that work. with your tendency? to involve yourself in the lives of other people's inmates? And what I've heard from your own lips. about wardening as a community?
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There are people waiting for me to fail at home. People who will literally eat me and gnaw my bones when I do.
And people here? Are always looking for ways to dismiss what I'm trying to do here. Ways to prove it won't work and I'm full of shit.
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Iris as one of those people?
[ A pause. ]
You're talking like an inmate.
Not in a good way.
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Lark. You're chasing answers you're comfortable with. Fears of yours. And you want to pursue those?
Because they have easy yes/no, leave/stay answers. Based around action.
The root? Of something like this?
It's always in what you refuse to see.
So I'm going to ask you again. Since knowingly. or unknowingly. you dodged:
Do you see me as one of those people? Or Iris as one of those people?
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... It's just that no one at home has been, before Alec. I know how to take help from him, but with anyone else, it leads me here.
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